Thread: Real commitment from a cam model

Kourtney Dash performed for an unprecedented 70 hours, 31 minutes and 55 seconds in a single session and won her choice of a vacation at a Four Season’s Hotel
The company said the previous record was 29 hours; making this perhaps the most profitable and entertaining single sale in online adult entertainment history.
The fan that helped her achieve this feat spent $17,471 on the show and was rewarded with $1,000 in free credits from Flirt4Free

Originally Posted by mass-dad

LOL.. that's wacked man.. 3 days wow.

we know how to treat our whales

Holy shit that's major!!

My question is, who's card did mass_dad charge the 17 grand to?

Amazing, love to know how she kept his interest for that long.


SOP- I'm sending you a PM. Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by DaveNYC

Amazing, love to know how she kept his interest for that long.


SOP- I'm sending you a PM. Thanks in advance.

Some of the fans of our performers are amazing, in 2010, we had a guy spend $225k I can be reached at V@VS.com

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

. . . we had a guy spend $225k . . .

Whoa!

Shooting you an e-mail now. I'll place 'white label' within the header. My e-mail is from a hotmail account, I hope there's no issue getting through to you. Thanks.

225k for cam shows? In one year? WTF... lol...

All due respect... for that money, get 2 escorts a day every day, one hour each for a year...

Originally Posted by LAJ

225k for cam shows? In one year? WTF... lol...

All due respect... for that money, get 2 escorts a day every day, one hour each for a year...

Im right there with you, but some guys are rich and married and are allowed to have their pleasures in the privacy of their big offices, I will cater to them all day

225K from one customer? LOL what an idiot.

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

225K from one customer? LOL what an idiot.

I have nothing but the highest respect for any whale

LOL. Who the fuck spends $17k on one session? That's insane!

I remember back in the day we had a whale, in fact, I think it was with flirt for free. Way back in the early days. Every month we would receive a commission check for like $10k.

With cams, I learned it's about just getting the members to join, after that, it's our job to get them to spend, we are good at it. We have a lot of whales. We have a guy that made over 300k in a year, I girl that plays chess topless per minute, and several girls that average 10 to 25k a month. These are the players I want!
Got to love rev share

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

With cams, I learned it's about just getting the members to join, after that, it's our job to get them to spend, we are good at it. We have a lot of whales. We have a guy that made over 300k in a year, I girl that plays chess topless per minute, and several girls that average 10 to 25k a month. These are the players I want!
Got to love rev share

You are not working there any more right?

I had several 1M + gross years in sales with clickcash, but its been a few years since I have seen numbers like that. Conversions have tanked a lot in the last 3-4 years, getting worst each year.

I agree with your comment, the affiliate's job is to deliver a paying customer with valid credit card then its up to the site to get them to spend money (ease of use, enticing girls etc...) but I can't tell you how many cams sites don't follow that logic if you are being paid with pps and your customers don't spend enough they switch you to revshare in a heart beat.

Originally Posted by will76

You are not working there any more right?

I had several 1M + gross years in sales with clickcash, but its been a few years since I have seen numbers like that. Conversions have tanked a lot in the last 3-4 years, getting worst each year.

I agree with your comment, the affiliate's job is to deliver a paying customer with valid credit card then its up to the site to get them to spend money (ease of use, enticing girls etc...) but I can't tell you how many cams sites don't follow that logic if you are being paid with pps and your customers don't spend enough they switch you to revshare in a heart beat.

Yeah, not working for them anymore, but I stand behind my statment concerning whio does what.
As for PPS vs Rev Share, with the way the PPS is laid out, the cam company makes out better on PPS than it does on Rev Share, unless there is a scam and there are charge backs.
Learning a little about how main stream does it has changed how I perceive how that is all laid out.
I've been getting some good leads, I'll be back to work soon , I'm sure

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yeah, not working for them anymore, but I stand behind my statment concerning whio does what.
As for PPS vs Rev Share, with the way the PPS is laid out, the cam company makes out better on PPS than it does on Rev Share, unless there is a scam and there are charge backs.
Learning a little about how main stream does it has changed how I perceive how that is all laid out.
I've been getting some good leads, I'll be back to work soon , I'm sure

Sure the cam company always profits off of PPS because if the per member value isn't high enough they switch you to revshare, so basically if they allow you to stay on PPS they know that your customers, on average, are spending enough for them to recoup what they paid you in "x" number of months and everything after that they get to keep.

I think it is wise for an affiliate to do a mix of PPS and revshare. With revshare you will make more money in the long run, but you might have to wait 6 months or a year before you profit more than what you were getting paid with PPS. As it's happened to me so many times in the past a company can close up, change their TOS, or lose their merchant account and then you lose a lot of money in future sales. PPS takes away the risk, the most you can lose is 1-2 checks. Revshare you can lose several months of income if something happens.

Hmm this is interesting information, guys. So what is the reason for declining cam revenues ?
I would have thought that cams are the one sector that would not be disrupted by piracy, as it is a service, not product. So there must be another reason for declining revenues ??

Originally Posted by mikeST

Hmm this is interesting information, guys. So what is the reason for declining cam revenues ?
I would have thought that cams are the one sector that would not be disrupted by piracy, as it is a service, not product. So there must be another reason for declining revenues ??

Not all cam sites are seeing declining revenues, I'd bet anything that Streamates, MFC, and LiveJasmin are increasing sales each year. However there are other cam sites that are declining for various reasons. What has declined more than anything in the cam sector is affiliate sales. I'll explain...

As the adult internet traffic has shifted to tube sites (and even pirate/torrent sites) who do you think is buying ads at those places? LiveJasmin and Cams.com are big buyers on sites with stolen content, where as streamates is on practically every big tube site out there. It's not affiliates making these ad buys. The cam site owners are making deals with those sites cutting the affiliates out of the picture. We are left with a smaller pool of customers and less traffic resources to find them.

Why some cam sites have had declining revenues:
1. (Goes back to what I was mentioning about affiliates above.) Some cam sites were too dependent on affiliates, as the affiliates got squeezed then so did they. They failed to go out and secure those emerging traffic markets.

2. Fucking declines. What kills me the most is how many people's credit cards are declined or they join with a valid credit card but have no funds. This plagues everything Cams, Dating, Membership sites, and is huge factor.

3. Mobile Traffic. I've seen my mobile traffic grow a lot over the last couple years but a lot of cam sites failed to implement good mobile versions of their site, therefore missing out on more and more sales every day.

4. No innovation: Sites like MFC innovated. Their platform allows them to make money from anyone. Anyone that can afford to spend $5 a month (which is everyone with a valid credit card) they can make money from that person. Where as traditional ppm cam sites that only offer $2.99 a minute, excludes 95% of the market. Also, the free nudity shown on sites like MFC makes those sites a lot more sticky and will retain those members a lot better than the other traditional cam sites.

Hmm, so can you spam tube sites by mass-uploading your own watermarked videos ? If they are legit teaser videos and each video is different, they may not delete them?

Otherwise it seems like you have to create your own tube site just to get enough traffic. That may be overkill.

What about microtransactions? I haven't seen any microtransactions in this industry, they all focus on subscriptions. Yet, microtransactions have transformed other industries entirely and left subscription services in the dust.

Originally Posted by mikeST

Hmm, so can you spam tube sites by mass-uploading your own watermarked videos ? If they are legit teaser videos and each video is different, they may not delete them?

Otherwise it seems like you have to create your own tube site just to get enough traffic. That may be overkill.

What about microtransactions? I haven't seen any microtransactions in this industry, they all focus on subscriptions. Yet, microtransactions have transformed other industries entirely and left subscription services in the dust.

Almost any tube site with a good amount of traffic is only working directly with the owners of the content, where they make revshare from the sales generated from those videos posted. Most of the tube sites have white labels to cam sites (almost all of them are Streamates) and / or they sell ads to cams.com & livejasmin. I seriously doubt any of the bigger ones would let me take cam shows from imlive, slap my url on the video and upload it back to them. They make nothing from it, and it competes with their paying advertisers or their own white labels. Also, throw in the changing laws where some tube sites who did allow users to upload are now stopping, the potential tube sites where you could do this is almost non existent now.

The consolidation of traffic to tube sites has hurt a lot of affiliates. Prior to tubes, that traffic was all over the net (SE, TGPS, Link lists, Directory sites, etc. etc.) all of which were places where affiliates advertised a lot, some for free even. Now all those surfers are on tube sites where affiliates can't reach them.

At this point, yes I think starting your own tube site and trying to get your own traffic to build it up would be the only way to compete with tube sites.

For the microtransactions, wouldn't that be a site like myfreecams, where someone could tip $1 ? to see her flash, put on a short show, etc... ?