I am thinking of starting a Movie Gallery, My question is How do sites like http://www.madthumbs.com and http://http://www.dansmovies.com have either near to entire or entire movies to show in their galleries. I think full movies greatly improve my chances of converting.
Jon
Lets forget the fact that those sites steal their content to begin with. Oh wait, it's not stolen, it's "anonymous user submitted"..
Tell me Jon.. If I gave you all the free booze you could drink would you buy booze from me ????
Some of the more ethical webmasters will buy two or three full 20-30 min movies from content stores to attract endusers with, then fill the rest of their site with short sponsor samples. Not a bad model, I thought (assuming that you refuse to allow the above-referenced "user submitted content", naturally).
EDIT: If I don't get chased off the board for saying that, the industry has changed significantly in the past four or five years.
Yeah if I'm watching full movies for free and am of the mindset that porn should be free to begin with, then your conversion rate with someone like that will be zero.
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Of the two sites listed here. One is in complience and is considered a legal tubesite. The other is not so much.
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Tube sites are a cancer for this industry.Originally Posted by LAJ
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And that's why it's critical to start working on putting people into the mindset that they have to pay for their porn.
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I wouldn't even think about opening a tube site unless you're going to run 3 to 5 min MAX on the videos. Otherwise you'll never make a dime. Anything longer then that your hurting our industry.
I honestly feel like even the most legitimate and ethical tube site that you could build would still be less profitable than something less time-consuming might be. It's just not a very good model from a marketing perspective, unless maybe you've got a brand-new paysite on your hands and just want to get your brand name out. And even then I'd only consider it as part of a much larger overall campaign to introduce a new product. From an affiliate marketing standpoint, tube sites are essentially unworkable (or at least tremendously unprofitable), as far as I'm aware. But I'll admit that I haven't personally experimented with tube sites, myself -- like I said, I never saw any (real) money in it.
even 5-minute clips is too long
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Indeed ! I remember when worldsex started offering 1min long videos: The quality of their traffic dropped dramaticly!
Any other tgp would convert 1:150 worldsex start converting 1:900 it was horrible.
If someone at that time would have told me that some very clever webmasters would offer 1000's and 1000'S of 5min to 1 hour videos for free, I would never have believed it. I would never have believed that someone would be dumb enough to do that.
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Videos of that length is almost as ludicrous as hookers offering it up for free in the hopes that you'll pay next time. Really.
IMO there needs to be an industry norm. ONE MINUTE MOVIE CLIPS MAXIMUM.
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I do ok with 3 minute clips, but that's because a lot of my scenes have a strong "intro section" where I explain what we are going to do to someone that day with either a crazy contraption, machine or device...
But I'm shocked at the amount of free content flying around... and the angry "consumers" who have vowed to never pay a dime for porn as a result.
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Yeah, companies banging credit cards... shitty cross sells... that stuff is way more damaging because those people were paying customers.
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You've hinted at another big problem -- potential consumers often believe that we're spammers whose sites are loaded with popups, viruses, and spyware. Never mind that it's been ten years since you've seen popup hell or picked up a dialer without wanting one. Never mind that many online casinos have some far shadier pracitices than you'll ever see from any adult site. The fact is that a few adult webmasters made a few mind-blowingly bad decisions twelve or fifteen years ago, and made the adult industry look far dirtier and more questionable than it actually is. And the payout is that quite a few people are still afraid to show us their credit cards, even when we assure them that it's safe and discreet.
There is a need to advertise in any website that offers service for free. Nothing is truely free outside of GPL/GNU software. Not even free email is truely free since it's parents sell you to others.
The consumer who gets screwed by shady deals become a non-consumer but quick. Many years ago while buying cheap discounted flights I got trapped into a shady cross sell where I was signed up for a service as a condition for buying my cheap flights, with the understanding that once I let three days pass and "try" the service I could cancel it and pay nothing. After 6 months of a $12 monthly payment and many attempts at cancelling the service I was forced to contact my credit card company and report it and charge them back the payments they took. In the end, I learned my lesson. Never sign up for anything you don't want no matter what the underlying conditions are AND never buy plane tickets from anyone but the airlines website. They fucked themselves out of a good customer with their slick offers.
Shady shit just isn't a part of good fundamental business practices.
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Something I've learned that saves quite the headache is I just use my wells fargo cc (or debit), and if any shady deals get started where I'm on a service that really doesn't have a clear method to cancel, just call the bank and say the card got lost. No problems get a temporary card immediately and 5 days later get the new one (activate with a phone call) done. There's talk (maybe it's been done) with banks giving people temporary charge numbers that way the number is good for one transaction. Companies that thrive on rebills will hate this of course.
I don't know about others but if any kind of special or deal comes up (unless it sounds reasonable) I almost always turn the other way.
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