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06:48 PM EST, Thursday Feb 25, 2010
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Do search engine optimization services deliver good results |
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First off, Hello again everyone; I have recently put my site back up, and its good to be back! Like everyone else, I'm fighting for traffic. I had my site up in its entirety from 1998-2005, pulled it down, and a few months ago put it back up again. To say that I am disappointed in the results and current income would be an understatement. I'm getting new content up as quick as I can, my AEBN manufacturer's side of things is starting to show improvement. I know the economy has a lot to do with things, but I'm sensing there is more to it than that. My traffic is so bad! Its like I have been out of it for decades, not just 4 years.
My question(s) are as follows: I'm thinking of contracting with one of the search engine optimization companies. Do they deliver? Is there a "good,better,best" one out there? I did a search of this subject here, and did not find anything. Thanks everyone, and I'm looking forward to attending as many of our conventions and events as I possibly can:)
Angie
www.oralangie.com
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08:26 PM EST, Thursday Feb 25, 2010
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SEO will give you a great help. you have to optimized your site to gain traffic. try to visit digital point forum or other webmaster forum to know more about SEO.
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11:00 AM EST, Friday Feb 26, 2010
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You'd be wise to contact Miss Pearly @ Pearly Writes
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11:19 AM EST, Friday Feb 26, 2010
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Angie, I'd love to do SEO work for you, but I wouldn't take any money from you to invest in any work to promote a site that looks like that.
Sorry for being blunt, but I don't want to waste your time or mine ... and I don't want to waste your money. The best rankings are not going to get you any conversions. I wouldn't spend a dime on SEO without a total re-design.
The answer to your question is "Yes" and "No".
Some SEO companies suck and just take all your money. There are only a few that actually deliver, and even fewer that will tell you what I am telling you.
Here's an intro to an article I had published last year called "SEO Secrets":
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First you need to stuff your keyword meta tags with all your possible keywords so you can cloak the algorithm with a doorway page alt tag using only absolute links so the meta data becomes a 301 re-direct to link bait the gateway page to a high Google PageRank, so we will need to re-do your entire site for only $10,000.
[That part was only a joke. I can re-do your site for a small fraction of that.]
If that paragraph made any sense to you at all, seek help now. If it sounds familiar, then you have probably already talked to a so-called “SEO Expert”. Some "SEOers" like to use big words so they can sound cool and mysterious and can charge large sums of money.
In the SEO world, there are lots of big talkers with high fees and low results. So what do you do if you have a great site that is one of the best kept secrets on the Internet? You either have to learn SEO and do it yourself, or you have to hire someone. If you hire someone, it is still good to know some SEO basics so you can get an idea if you are being told a fabulous story, or if the company or person is a real SEO expert that can deliver results.
Ask around for referrals. If someone is recommending a SEO provider because they achieved good results, then there is a good chance they can get good results for you too.
Much of the conversation of SEO tends to revolve around search engine rankings. However, there is much more to it than just rankings.
The Three Main Goals of SEO
Good rankings alone are not enough to make your web site successful. The three main goals of SEO are 1) Rankings, 2) Click-through Traffic from the Search Result, and 3) Converting the Traffic to a Sale.
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This brings me back to what I said in the beginning. Your site design, or lack thereof, would have been acceptable ten years ago, but not in 2010.
You have a kid's lemonade stand with cardboard box on the street corner next to a row of actual restaurants or professional juice stands. No offense.
I'd be happy to do a re-design for you, and SEO as well.
I would re-do your site using Wordpress, which give you lots of extra benefits for traffic, SEO, link-building, and pinging the search engines.
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01:26 PM EST, Friday Feb 26, 2010
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| KevinG wrote: | Angie, I'd love to do SEO work for you, but I wouldn't take any money from you to invest in any work to promote a site that looks like that.
Sorry for being blunt, but I don't want to waste your time or mine ... and I don't want to waste your money. The best rankings are not going to get you any conversions. I wouldn't spend a dime on SEO without a total re-design.
Ask around for referrals. If someone is recommending a SEO provider because they achieved good results, then there is a good chance they can get good results for you too.
This brings me back to what I said in the beginning. Your site design, or lack thereof, would have been acceptable ten years ago, but not in 2010.
You have a kid's lemonade stand with cardboard box on the street corner next to a row of actual restaurants or professional juice stands. No offense.
I would re-do your site using Wordpress, which give you lots of extra benefits for traffic, SEO, link-building, and pinging the search engines. |
Thanks for the input. I'm going to address your trashing my site and not a whole lot else. When folks (yes, they are human beings, not "traffic" or "clicks") find my site, they do business there. I have a pretty decent conversion rate as well as AEBN views....when folks SEE me and my site. I get LOTS of compliments going like "Angie, I love your site, its not like all of the others". And "Angie I love it that your site is a real amateur site, NOT one of those slick, professional sites." I knew a long time ago that I could never compete with you slick pro's, so I simply went around you. Sort of like the guy who builds his own race cars instead of writing checks. Hey, if I had 100K to spend, I might piss a whole lot of it away with those who specialize in separating fools from their money. And to be honest with you, if a true pro wanted to partner up, I might well listen. I know what I'm marketing, I simply am looking to market it. And as for "asking around" for referrals.....isn't that what I'm doing here?
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06:16 PM EST, Friday Feb 26, 2010
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| StrokeKing wrote: | | SEO will give you a great help. you have to optimized your site to gain traffic. try to visit digital point forum or other webmaster forum to know more about SEO. |
Awesome forum, thank you!!
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06:17 PM EST, Friday Feb 26, 2010
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| housekeeper wrote: | | You'd be wise to contact Miss Pearly @ Pearly Writes |
Many thanks!!
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11:28 PM EST, Friday Feb 26, 2010
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Angie, listen to Kevin. It may not be easy to hear, but he speak the truth. He's not trying to sell you a bill of goods. Kevin knows his stuff and he gets results. He one of the few in the SEO biz I can say that about.
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10:28 AM EST, Saturday Feb 27, 2010
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| Toby wrote: | | Angie, listen to Kevin. It may not be easy to hear, but he speak the truth. He's not trying to sell you a bill of goods. Kevin knows his stuff and he gets results. He one of the few in the SEO biz I can say that about. |
Hi Toby, I know much of what he said is right, if there was not a reason for hi-tech hi $$$ sites, no-one would be building them! Thats why I would be very happy to hook up with someone who knows how to do the site building and the promo end of things, and who, for whatever reason(s) is between projects. I'm totally open to that!
In my 15 years around the adult internet, 12 years with a site up, I have seen I don't know how many folks come charging in, drop 20,30, 40 grand....and then leave. I have a ringside seat to a couple of friends of mine as we speak.....25 grand and counting. Even if I wanted the excitement of watching 10 grand a pop go down the toilet, I don't have it to spend, so its a moot point!
The biggest mistake I ever made was pulling my site down and moving. I had some great momentum built up, and it fucking killed it. I got the move done, now I'm trying to rectify the other mistake on a limited budget, and the economic climate is not helping. Thanks for sharing your input with me:)
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09:15 PM EST, Friday Mar 05, 2010
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Thank you for the referral. I did speak to Angie and referred her to Kelly.
I agree with Kevin that I wouldn't want to take money to try and optimize the present site because many of us here are honest. We are here to help and want to help and the way I get sites rank, I would need to have the site redone.
I would be more than happy to give ideas but I think Kelly should be the first step in gaining more visitors through social media marketing.
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09:34 AM EST, Saturday Mar 06, 2010
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Sorry Angie, but I have to agree with Kevin 110%. But, there's one thing I'd like to mention.. You don't have to have the most technologically advanced website this side of the known universe.
He mentioned the use of Wordpress. Wordpress is natively very good with SEO. Furthermore, since you like to do some web stuff yourself you could try your hand at doing it yourself. WP is very easy to install. If your host has Fantastico (on cPanel) then Fantastico will install WP for you, create the database and database username for you, add username to database. All you have to do is tell it where you want WP installed and answer some basic settings questions (name of blog, admin password, etc). One nice featuer of WP is updates are a cinch! From inside of the WP Dashboard it's one click and it downloads and installs the latest version of WP.
Kevin mentioned about pingbacks. That's a very nice feature in WP that will notify websites that record these "pings." Every time you update your site it can notify whatever ping service you are using.
While creating SEF (Search Engine Friendly) URLs is easy (under the Permalinks settings) you can also use a plugin for WP called All In One SEO. It allows you to specify meta tags (keywords, robots, descritpion) for each article.
All the components I use for WP are free. While I know the technical side of web design my downfall is graphic design/templates. If you have any questions feel free to pm me. In creating websites mainly use Joomla CMS and Wordpress.
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05:42 AM EST, Monday Mar 08, 2010
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Hi Angie,
My team in India would be able to stylize and updatge your site for a couple hundred bucks. It's quite cheap getting the style elements done.
Although I do get your angle.. If you think you are getting members because your site looks so very 'home made' and has that 'at home' feeling then why change ?
Although i believe that if you just clearned up and made the style more professional you may be able to diversify your traffic a bit more.
 Good luck.
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10:12 AM EST, Wednesday Mar 10, 2010
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I had tried rankpay.com but for some reason they have disappeared completely over the past couple weeks. They got me excellent results on yahoo pulling me up to 3rd place in just a few weeks. Have they gone out of business? Does anyone know?
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09:34 PM EST, Wednesday Mar 10, 2010
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I do partly agree with Kevin, but also see where Angie is coming from as well. I've met and chatted with webmasters who choose specifically to create a site that is meant for the "non-glossy" crowd. Sites like SouthernCharms lives by this method. Clips4Sale is similar. If you have high-end/high-concept/ultraniche all the way to ultra-homemade, and assume that the middle-of-the-road stuff is going to be stolen by the tubes, then you have to assume that there is a segment of the consumer base that lives for the kind of site Angie is offering.
I'm not saying that it's ever going to make as much or more money than a high-end glossy site with all sorts of bells and whistles - it probably won't. But then again, not all consumers want that either - there is a happy sector of the consumer population that prefers to think that the talent on the site aren't girls from agencies with makeup artists and studio lights. It's definitely a smaller group of people, but those tend to be pretty loyal - from the looks of it Angie's site is geared more for the swinger/group sex crowd who are fans of Angie. It's less about the content than it is to keep up with her schedule (her parties, etc).
That being said, I think that the site could probably benefit from sprucing up a little. There's definitely a lot of text on your site that could probably benefit from some SEO-friendly verbage. In fact, because of the amount of text on your site, you might get visitors to spend a decent amount of time on your site. But since the focus is more on the text than the images of what you're selling, I wonder how high the bounce rate might be?
Pushing the idea of a blog-based template is my go-to suggestion for a site like yours if you're interested in getting some Google recognition. Yes, it means you'll have to remodel your site. No, we're not talking thousands of dollars (in fact you should be able to do most of it yourself if you have the time to do it).
Kevin and everyone else will tell you that SEO takes time - but if you're not interested in a complete redesign just for "website makeup"'s sake, then consider changing your site to something blog-based so you're using all that text you're putting out there to good use.
Hope that helps - and I think MsPearlyWrites gave you my info if you need more advice
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10:44 PM EST, Wednesday Mar 10, 2010
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Angie, I have been in the adult and online marketing business for many years and if there is ONE thing I have learned never make major changes without doing some testing first. There are a ton of ways you can run AB testing on tours and join pages and until you have the numbers in front of you don't change a thing.
I run a network of over 200 websites and the amateur looking sites do way better that the high gloss sites. Don't buy into the bullshit and make your sites look like all the rest.
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HAND WRITTEN BLOG NETWORK LOOKING FOR HARD LINKS www.frostentertainment.com
Contact Info: ICQ 607306 : EMAIL frostentertainment (at) gmail.com
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