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01:48 PM EST, Tuesday Jan 05, 2010
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Obama policies are failing yet again.
www.boston.com
www.time.com
and they still have the nerve to say..
www.politicsdaily.com
and we still don't have any economic recovery.. But the insurance companies are going to get richer and the greedy bankers are getting theirs. The unions love him (gm anyway) and the tax and spend base cum's at the mere mention of his name.
only three more years, if there is anything left. 
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05:36 PM EST, Tuesday Jan 05, 2010
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My understanding is... Obama has, unfortunately, left in tact almost all the policies that were created by the Bush administration re: air travel security... meaning, if they're failing, the blame is shared. Bush people get the blame for making the policies, Obama people get the blame for not improving them. You may have heard though... they're investigating the possibility that intelligence was not shared on purpose in this case, possibly for political reasons, possibly for classic "turf war" reasons between agencies. Sure would be nice if Americans could work together at least on this issue.
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11:59 PM EST, Tuesday Jan 05, 2010
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He is weak and the people who will attack Americans are not afraid of him. 12 Attacks in his first year vs 20 attacks from 9/11 to the end of 2008.
Terrorist activity is growing and the man is not only clueless but is outright denying that it even exists.
He is playing image politics with American lives and doing nothing he campaigned on. The wars still go on without any leadership or support from the white house. The same people who caused the banking crash are assigned to the recovery on tax dollars by the man (Obama) who one year ago pointed his finger at and called crooks.
Terrorists continue to attempt and sometimes succeed in murdering Americans on our own soil while Obama gives them freedoms rights and free-passes on sins so that they can return and murder more Americans.
Is it to much to ask that he act like a leader instead of an excuse man for our enemies?
Can he at least recognize them as enemies?
The fucker is helping everyone who is/has/was hurting America and bastardizing his own people.
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Johnny Jones has ordered that all people who don't meet his personal standards of having a right to speak on YNOT be silent.
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05:34 AM EST, Wednesday Jan 06, 2010
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as usual mr. conservative troll, you have purposely left the important parts of the message out of your head:
"most of the plots were foiled...more terrorist threats were uncovered..."
Meaning in plain English-there has been some improvement due to increases security force efforts-but as Obama said-we have to do better, and you have tried to relate it to:
"insurance companies are going to get richer and the greedy bankers"
are you blaming the bankers and insurance companies for funding terrorists? They are otherwise as always, apples and oranges in your posts that are never recipes for fruit salad.
"we still don't have any economic recovery"
Come up from the bunker and look around you-the first signs of economic recovery is: middle class people are spending money again. The first big indicator is how much is spent at Christmas. The second is: people on this board have said they are slowly seeing a turnaround in sign ups etc. Economic recover is not a light switch-you don't simply turn it on and everyone is 100% recovered. But to someone living in a black and white world it's hard to see beyond the yes or no choices you filter life through.
You can choose to keep your head buried in the sand and hate everyone else in the world for breathing fresh air-just like terrorist do, or you can CHOOSE to stand up and act like a man (in the meaning of species) and move your life forward in a positive way.
People who provoke thought and actually make changes in the world or even their own world do so by promoting and working on answers not by being ultra rightest trolls.
Buy a box of Kleenex, blow your nose and get out of the fucking bunker already!
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08:08 PM EST, Wednesday Jan 06, 2010
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| Connor wrote: | My understanding is... Obama has, unfortunately, left in tact almost all the policies that were created by the Bush administration...
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Its still too early to say that he has left almost all the Bush policies intact. I don't believe he has yet had enough time to seriously take on many of these issues. Right on the heels of his presidency was the Wall Street meltdown, and that fiasco absorbed a lot of everyone's time. It wouldn't have been appropriate for him to immediately give priority to undoing the Bush acts when the financial system (and the entire economy) were on the brink of collapse. And if he had done that the Republicans would have criticized him harshly for it in exactly the same way that they've criticized every single thing he's done since he took office.
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10:55 PM EST, Wednesday Jan 06, 2010
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As far as a continuation of the private heath care 3rd party payer situation, during the 2008 campaign; the affirmation of a continued policy of the support of the private heath care 3rd party payer (insurance companies) was made more than once by then candidate Obama -- so, why there is such surprise I find astounding. As for a tax supported ''Public Option'' -- that is not going to happen this go round.
A ''War Against Terrorism'' has always been a folly -- terrorism is not a conventional army -- one madman with a bomb can sometimes be stopped and sometimes not without an ensuing massive deprivation of the potential victims civil rights.
Finding what is considered an acceptable intrusion and curtailment of those said civil rights, of basically law abiding citizens -- will always be at issue.
In other words -- the thread is just rhetoric as I see it.
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10:57 PM EST, Wednesday Jan 06, 2010
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| mass-dad wrote: | | He is weak and the people who will attack Americans are not afraid of him. 12 Attacks in his first year vs 20 attacks from 9/11 to the end of 2008. Terrorist activity is growing and the man is not only clueless but is outright denying that it even exists. |
To suggest that Obama is responsible for these attempted terrorist attacks is like saying that president Bush was responsible for the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks. A totally ridiculous argument! Various law enforcement agencies are responsibile for tracking and catching these people before they can cause damage or hurt other people. The system isn't perfect but, for the most part, it works. Terrorists in the US who are determined to circumvent the system will likely keep trying, and with that comes the tandem probability that they will also be caught---as all of them have been since the 9/11 incident.
Obama could instigate public hysteria by ordering a SEVERE clampdown of the processes that regulate the movement of people and goods. But recall that Bush tried to do that and it didn't work. Its a knee-jerk reaction that chokes industry, bottlenecks travel, and wastes a lot of time and money. The logical thing to do is exactly what he's doing: examine the weaknesses in the system and keep modifying them to match up with the ever-changing strategies of the terrorists. What you're describing as "weakness" is actually a strength. Smart thinkers behave rationally. They don't act on impulse, they often play dumb to catch wise, and they don't give away their hand while they're playing the game.
| mass-dad wrote: | | He is playing image politics with American lives and doing nothing he campaigned on. The wars still go on without any leadership or support from the white house. |
Every politician plays image politics. Politics by its very nature is all about image and how the electorate perceives that image. Few elected politicians do many of the things they campaign on, and this often has little to do with their honesty or intent. As you're well aware, there are many things that the office of the president cannot (legally) unilaterally do, and there are some things that the president could unilaterally do but he may decide not to do them for a reason.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are a good example. Both chambers of Congress endorsed president's Bush's decision to initiate these wars (even though many of them made that decision based on false information). Military strategists on both sides of the spectrum agree that a sudden withdrawal of American troops from these regions would be a mistake. So, Obama's plan was changed to a rapid build-up of forces in certain areas to inflict maximum damage on the terrorist positions, followed by a gradual withdrawal of US forces over a specific period of time. As the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, the president could have simply withdrawn all troops from both areas. But his decision not to do that was obviously based on advice from advisors who explained to him how such a move could easily and quickly backfire. I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with Obama's exit strategy for these wars, but the Republicans who're criticizing him now don't have any easy answers either.
| mass-dad wrote: | | The same people who caused the banking crash are assigned to the recovery on tax dollars by the man (Obama) who one year ago pointed his finger at and called crooks. |
"The same people who caused the banking crash" is a generalization. You're mistaken if you believe that the Wall Street Bankers are solely to be blamed for that one. True, most of them were greedy, but none of them forced consumers to overextend themselves in mortgage and credit card debt that they (consumers) should have known they cannot afford and could never repay. The banking crash wasn't caused because bankers were generous with handing out consumer loans. Lending money is what banks do, remember? Granted, I concur that perhaps Obama didn't go about handling that situation the right way with the bailouts, the czar, etc.
He could have stuck to the principles of capitalism and told the bankers to 'sink or swim'. That might or might not have worked, but it was a gamble he obviously wasn't willing to make. Many more banks would have gone under, the FDIC would face collapse from the stress and money would have to be taken out of the Treasury to prop it up, the value of the US dollar would have plunged, investors would panic and pull whats left of their money out of the system, the stock market would crash, hyperinflation, megacontraction of all industries, a LOT more people would have found themselves unemployed, homeless, and financially devastated, and the global financial markets would nosedive---followed by exactly the same cycle in most other industrial nations. I don't think we would see a recovery from that one in a long, long, long time. At least most of us still have a job and a place to live. How appropriate is it to blame Obama for the decisions people made to buy more house than they knew they could afford, or to run up more debt than they knew they could repay?
| mass-dad wrote: | | Terrorists continue to attempt and sometimes succeed in murdering Americans on our own soil |
Domestic terrorism has existed in America for a very long time. And for most of our history, federal law enforcement hadn't done a very good job of suppressing it. All one has to do is look back in time at the activities of some religious and other hate groups who have been terrorizing innocent people for decades. Even right up until (and during) the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, many elected officials in the south publicly sanctioned the criminal activities of groups like the Ku Klux Klan, and law enforcement officers not only stood by and watched but actually participated in much of that activity. Fast forward to September 11, 2001, and the rules of the game changed for everybody. But the rules changed on that day only because, for the first time, the people who control all the money (and who make all the rules) very suddenly realized that they were just as vulnerable as the rest of us.
| mass-dad wrote: | | while Obama gives them freedoms rights and free-passes on sins so that they can return and murder more Americans. |
Radical Islam's hatred of the western world goes all the way back to Byzantine times and has nothing to do with Obama or his policies. Can you name even one terrorist to whom the US government (and more specifically, the president) has "given a free pass on sins so they can return and murder more Americans"?
And, as far as domestic terrorism goes, the rules are different for American citizens who promote or attempt to commit these acts on US soil. The "freedoms" and "rights" of American citizens on US soil are a part of the Constitution and have nothing to do with the president.
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The fucker is helping everyone who is/has/was hurting America and bastardizing his own people. |
Exactly who is the "everyone" being referred to? And how has the president helped him/her/they? By use of the word "bastardize" in this context, I'm guessing you mean 'debase'. What exactly has the president done to debase anyone?
You know, I remember America post 9/11---how united the country was. For a while, all the partisan bitching stopped. American flags were flying EVERYWHERE. People actually stopped to pay attention, and to show some civility and civic pride. Republicans forgot that they were Republicans, and Democrats forgot that they were Democrats. And for that while, we were all just Americans. Even people who despised president Bush stopped to pay attention to what he had to say. And, though somewhat misguided, even he---in that moment---did a few things that were selfless and for the national good. Conner's words that "It sure would be nice if Americans could work together..." reminded me of that time.
Now we're back to the angry, snarky, bitching and blaming again. And its not helping any of us get anywhere. Everything comes and goes in cycles, and the day will come again when there is a Republican president in the White House. What it all boils down to: different day, same shit.
Be happy. Life is too short!
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